Engage in an Enneagram Typing Interview

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Why the Enneagram?

I believe everyone should know about the Enneagram. It’s a tool of self-discovery, self-reflection, and growth. It gives language to our core motivations, the beliefs deep down that drive our behaviors. Why wouldn’t we want to better understand that part of ourselves?

The Enneagram is for you if:

-You want to keep growing and evolving personally and professionally

-You are seeking clarity on your strengths

-You are seeking insight into your challenges or growth edges

-You want a tool for connecting authentically with yourself and others

There are tons of tests and quizzes out there to help you discover your Type, however they are only approximately 66% effective. What if you are in fact a Countertype, meaning you don’t show up like other folks in your type structure? That’s where a Typing Interview can help!

What’s an Enneagram Typing Interview?

A typing interview is a 60 minute meeting with a trained Enneagram professional where you are invited to reflect on a series of questions to help you narrow down your possible Enneagram type. Although the Nine Types are most well-known, did you know there are actually 27 types when you take into account instincts and subtypes? That’s a big difference!

What you can expect in a Typing interview with me as a consultant and mental health professional (although this is not therapy and does not replace therapy) is a supportive, safe place with open questions to help you discover your type structure possibilities. You’ll also get resources and reading recommendations on your type, including relevant

-YouTube links

-articles to read

-books to check out

Why work with me? As a trained mental health therapist, Certified Financial Therapist, and Enneagram certified professional, you get the best of three worlds: a safe space to show up, clarity on your money behaviors, and the experience of purposeful questions to support your self-discovery journey. An Enneagram Typing Interview does not replace therapy with a trained professional, and this meeting and content shared are for educational purposes only.

Are you craving clarity or language for why certain things are a struggle? Do you want to embrace your strengths and lean into that next level of growth? Are you ready to explore how the Enneagram can create meaningful change for the better? 

My Enneagram Evolution

I first engaged in an Enneagram training in 2012, where it left a profound impression on me because it gave language to my experience personally and professionally within the world. Then I experienced it again as part of pre-marital counseling with my spouse of almost 10 years (and counting). The Enneagram became a regular tool in my mental health private practice with clients struggling with low self-worth, perfectionism, and workaholism. 

But it didn’t stop there.

In 2019 I began using the Enneagram with colleagues in my consultation role to help them recover from burnout within our field. In 2020, I wrote my first Amazon #1 Best-seller Perfectioneur: Moving from Workaholic to Well-balanced, that called out risks for certain personality types (I’m looking at you Enneagram Type Twos and Threes) to struggle with work-life harmony. In 2022 I leaned into Enneagram conversations with colleagues in peer consultation groups. 

In 2023, I saw an intersection of Enneagram and money behaviors as a Certified Financial Therapist, crafting a blog that would be the origin story of our Amazon #1 Best Seller Your Enneagram and Money, which published in January 2025. In March 2025, I crafted and taught an elective on The Enneagram in Therapy for Master’s counseling students at the University of Denver and presented the same content at the Colorado Counseling Association’s Annual Conference to a standing-room-only crowd in August 2025. The Enneagram fascinates many of us as therapists and helping professionals, and for lots of valid reasons! 

From 2023 to now, I continue to bring in aspects of the Enneagram into healing retreats with therapists. And at the conclusion of 2025, I successfully completed an Enneagram Certification Program with Milton Stewart, MBA of Kaizen Coaching, Consulting & Community and incoming president of the International Enneagram Association.

So in 2026 it’s time for me to give back to my professional helper community in a new way—by providing language and insight into our personality type structures that also informs our conscious work with clients! Schedule an Enneagram Typing Interview with me here.

Insurance Injustice and Rage Tears

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I think it’s the first time I’ve experienced rage tears with a client. I’ve been angry. I’ve been sad. And I’ve cried with clients. Oh yes, I’ve cried. 

My client can’t see me, but they hear the tears in my choked speech on our call. I name the tears for them so they doesn’t misunderstand. I don’t need my client to caregive me, I want to show them how much this upsets me too.

It’s been two months since we’ve had a call. 

Six months of fighting with their insurance.

One year of unpaid claims.

And weekly phone calls of the insurance panel stating claims aren’t being paid because they only pay for one diagnosis. Suddenly. In 2025. No other diagnoses will do.

I can’t make sense of it. As a Type-A, detailed therapist, I jump all the hoops they want me to jump through. 


File a certification request. Fax it.


File an appeal. Fax it.

The appeal was lost in their department. Start over.

An appeal that they will approve when they want to, no timeline is guaranteed.

Thousands of dollars unpaid, a ticking timeline of when claims will be “out of timely filing.”

Of course I have rage. 

I have rage for a broken system. A system that I’ve worked with for 16 years. I proudly took Medicaid until I didn’t. Then I told other insurance panels I was done. And yet with this client, I’d told myself I would see them until the end. Only I thought the end would be the illness that shortens their life. 

So now here I sit, the tears just below the surface as I tell my client their options. Options they can’t afford. And yet they say they don’t want to start over. They don’t want another therapist. Weeks away from our ten year anniversary of working together, I remind them of their hard work up to this point, reflecting on how much they’ve accomplished. How much they’ve grown.

Just in case we can’t work together. 

In case their insurance decides their mental health doesn’t matter.

So I write this to process the rage. And I wait. And they wait. And we wait.

Ten Books Every Therapist Should Read

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As a passionate professor to counselors-in-training, I’m frequently asked by students what books they should read as part of their self-of-therapist development. Of course there are so many options out there on specialty topics, including things like private practice, IFS parts work, EMDR, and attachment theory. But there are a handful of books I think of again and again as a clinical supervisor, confidential grief specialist, and consultant to therapists. Here are ten books I continue to recommend, not to mention they are books I wish I’d had when I started in this field 15 years ago!

  1. Sometimes Therapy is Awkward

    Full of authenticity and humor filled moments, this book serves to normalize that being a therapist comes with it’s own unique challenges, like clients ghosting sessions, client suicide, and sticking our professional foot in our mouth on occasion because we are human too.

  2. For the Love of Therapy

    By the same author as the above book, this book speaks to the power of relationship rupture and repair in the mental health field. I love the emphasis that we all make mistakes, and it’s how we repair that makes us stellar therapists!

  3. Letters to a Young Therapist 

    A book from a seasoned therapist on compassion and humanness in therapy, how can I not recommend a book that celebrates authenticity as the key ingredient to quality mental health care?

  4. Bad Therapy

    Can we normalize the edges and mistakes made within our field? I believe this book serves that purpose, and it's been on my reading list for years.

  5. Maybe you Should Talk to Someone

    Beautiful storytelling full of heart, this book serves as a glimpse into the day-to-day life and client interactions a clinician can have in private practice. Read by the masses, this book gives an inside look at what it’s like to be a therapist.

  6. The Gift of Therapy

    A classic, this one is often recommended in graduate programs. I have to admit I haven’t read it personally, but I’ve heard from many colleagues how impactful it was to their journey of becoming a therapist.

  7. Moving from ALERT to Acceptance: Helping Clinicians Heal from Client Suicide

    My own book baby, this resource not only teaches clinicians to engage in compassionate suicide assessment within their therapy practice, it normalizes the prevalence of client suicide and how we heal after it happens.

  8. Trauma Stewardship

    An oldie but goodie on how we are at higher risk for vicarious trauma and burnout as professional caregivers, this book should be in every grad school curriculum!

  9. Burnout, the Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle

    A beautiful blend of conversation, curiosity, and science, this book puts language to the cycle of stress and burnout that is a significant part of our self-work for therapists to remain in the mental health field.

  10. The Resilient Therapist: Healing from Career-Altering Adverse Psychological Events in Mental Health (Bloomsbury, Spring 2026)

    Coming soon! This book is a love letter to therapists who’ve experienced career-altering traumas like client violence, client suicide, grievance, and professional betrayal. These events are happening to clinicians around the world, so not only do we need to talk about them, we need to explore how to heal and how leadership can help!

    So there you have it, ten impactful books for clinicians both new to the field and seasoned! I hope you’ll reach out to share other favorites and the impact these books have on your practice. Happy Reading!

Dear Suicide Loss Survivors

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I was recently asked if I wanted to contribute something to a book for survivors of suicide. With my client’s death by suicide anniversary being in March, of course I wanted to share my love letter to survivors here in a blog too. With abundant compassion and zero judgement, Khara

There’s nothing more painful that feeling like you’ve failed the person who has died by suicide. The shame. The self-doubt. The going over the last time you saw them or spoke to them, wondering what you missed. Believe me, I’ve been there. As a fellow loss survivor, I want you to know you are not alone. Each death by suicide impacts at minimum, 135 people, so of course you are feeling the loss of the person who has died. You may feel grief-stricken. Bewildered. Angry. This loss will forever change you, and that’s okay too. It’s to be expected. I hope you’ll consider this acronym as a compassionate guide through your heaviest moments of grief and despair, knowing that even the darkest nights have to move into dawn eventually.

L-Listen to your needs

Your needs after the loss of someone to suicide will change moment to moment. People will ask you what you need, and you may find yourself frozen, in shock, or mute, not knowing what you need. Try to find moments to slow things down, asking yourself what you need in that exact moment. Maybe you need to cry. Need a hug. Need to be left alone. Need to eat. Need to sleep. Let’s normalize that your needs change minute to minute and it’s okay to ask for what you need.

E-Embrace grief and loss work

No one is “fine” after losing someone to suicide. There isn’t a timeline for healing either. You will heal on your own time, in your own way. How do you want to engage in grief work? Do you want to work with a therapist? A coach? A mentor? A spiritual guide? This isn’t something that you wake up one day and feel okay about, so don’t discount the power of grief and loss work to help your healing journey.

A- Ask for help

For so many survivors, asking for help feels the hardest. Perhaps we don’t want to burden others. Perhaps we’ve received messages that hurt us further in the wake of losing someone to suicide. Please don’t let other people’s discomfort with suicide prevent you from asking for help from folks who are able and willing to hold space for you. There are places of support and community waiting with open arms to help you grieve and heal. You don’t have to do this alone.

N- Name meaning

This last idea oftentimes takes the longest. There is not a day when losing the person you did to suicide won’t matter. Survivors aren’t looking for acceptance as much as some form of neutrality or surrender that comes with time. After moving out of excruciating pain and sadness, there will come a time where you can discover meaning from this life-altering loss. Maybe meaning is holding dear the happy memories of this person. Maybe you write about your experience for other survivors. Maybe it’s participating in a suicide prevention event. Perhaps it’s honoring this person’s birthday or another day of significance. 

Making meaning is uniquely yours, and the experience of naming meaning can feel like you’re finally experiencing post-traumatic growth as your body learns to hold both pain and gratitude for the person you’ve lost. Talk about them. Think of them. Americans can be strange with grief, but I hope this sharing and so many others’ stories can lift you up amidst the grief and questioning that come with suicide loss. We are not okay, but we will be.

The Psychology of Money and Your Secondary Income Streams

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In financial therapy, it’s common for us to talk about how money is emotional. Very emotional. Some would even say that money is 90% emotion, 10% logic. With this in mind, we can lean into what we know about money for our secondary income streams, which includes your ideal consumer’s investment in your trainings, courses, and retreats. Let’s explore three key points of the psychology of money in your therapy practice and offerings below.

1. People like smaller numbers over larger numbers.

Folks love a good sale, and they like to see the value of what they are getting (i.e. on sale for $75, $150 value). However, when it comes to bigger purchases like groups, masterminds, and coaching programs, people prefer to see the breakdown of what it costs per meeting for an ongoing commitment. For example, $40 per one hour meeting for six weeks versus $240 total per person. There’s something approachable about the smaller number that gives us self-permission to invest in a bigger purchase rather than balking at a larger number and having the immediate thought of “I can’t afford that.” It might be the best of both worlds to offer the weekly/monthly breakdown and then an upfront, full cost that saves your ideal consumer some money. This practice is very common with other products we’ve purchased, with an example being $20/month (option #1) or $220 up front, saving the buyer $20 for making the bigger, one-time purchase as option #2.

2. Certain numbers are comforting.

Have you ever experimented with exploring what numbers feel good to people wanting to buy from you? Although this is subject to change as things evolve, folks currently are most comfortable with odd numbers or round numbers when making a purchase because these numbers are familiar. Think about it. From the days of advertising on TV, consumers are comfortable seeing $19.99 or $19.95 over $20. Or $47 over $44. Or $15 over $14. How about $199 compared to $200? In the therapy world, seeing $165 over $162 or $185 over $174? Notice what comes up for you. Every human has a purchase amount that gives them pause, and so setting rates or pricing below that number could be a way for them to find their enthusiastic yes to what you have to offer. For example, does your ideal audience balk at $800 but feel comfortable with $600? Do they like to see $99 instead of $100? This is your invitation to get curious and start experimenting with pricing, which can be helpful tool when launching your secondary income streams.

3. Know your ideal audience.

I may sound like a broken record to some folks in my community for this one, but it continues to be true! Knowing your audience and what they are comfortable paying for is key. What’s the market for offerings similar to yours? Are the entities or other professionals who’ve set the bar on pricing? Are you competing with big mental health entities that set the precedent on prices for trainings, as one example? By doing a little market research, you can do a temperature check on the range of prices that your ideal audience prefers. Take that a step further and ask them to tell you what they’d pay for your offering. It could be an anonymous survey or a poll in a social media group. By asking your ideal audience what they’d pay, you can get a better sense of people’s willingness to invest in what you are passionate about building!

What would you add to the psychology of money and secondary income streams? There are so many other working pieces to consider, but hopefully these three tips give you a place to start when launching secondary income streams in 2025! Happy New Year!

Khara Croswaite Brindle is a Certified Financial Therapist serving other therapists to help them launch secondary income streams as part of burnout prevention.

My Keynote at Colorado Counseling Association’s 2024 Annual Conference

“How’s it going?” My close community kept checking in on me as a I prepared to give my keynote at the Colorado Counseling Association Annual Conference in Keystone the next day. “I keep crying at certain parts of my speech,” I shared. I’d already given myself a grief hangover just writing my speech, now I was doing my best to stay composed as I said it out loud. “It’s okay to cry, your message is important,” each of them said. I agreed with them and continued to prepare. When it was time, I stood in front of almost 300 members of my community and introduced them to the term confidential grief. Defined by Dr. Lena Salpietro as losing a client to suicide and not being able to talk about it, I invited the audience to apply confidential grief to all the experiences in our industry that feel secretive due to feelings of shame, guilt, and judgement from others. I named the Big Five Fears of client suicide, client death, client violence, subpoena, and grievance as examples. We got to know our shame monsters together as a group. I had chosen to share my personal and professional journey of becoming a Confidential Grief Specialist. 

To help my colleagues understand the impact of confidential grief, I took them through six impactful and painful points in my 14 years as a therapist. These were stories that weren’t public knowledge due to confidential grief, and I named them as moments of self-doubt, shame, and leadership trauma. We grieved the loss of community members to violence and clients to suicide. We shared outrage at circumstances outside our control. And this time, I didn’t cry so hard that I lost my place. Instead I carried that emotion with me as I embodied vulnerability to a group of people I felt I was just starting to know more fully. 

As the talk continued, there were invitations to laugh, cry, and connect. I shared how I’d learned from my experiences that introversion is welcome (and necessary sometimes), vulnerability in leadership is allowed, and stories eliminate isolation in our field and as humans seeking connection against burnout. We talked about how to combat confidential grief through building community, showing up fully, and creating healing spaces for ourselves and others. I introduced bread crumbs imagery as bite-sized messages of hope and healing for folks to find when they were ready. Lastly, I shared a beautiful image on screen to start and close the talk. “There are not enough words” became an anchor amidst waves of emotion that come with confidential grief, and I invited my audience to share those words with others.

After my keynote was finished, I was given the gift of my community approaching me in both in the moments after and for hours into the next day to share their stories. You felt safe to share your losses of client suicide, your leadership trauma, and how you needed the term confidential grief to feel more seen. I heard countless exclamations that having a name for your experiences (both confidential grief and leadership trauma) was encouraging you to heal from here. I’m confident in the ripple effect of collective healing that will come from this gathering of clinicians, and find myself full of gratitude and with ‘not enough words’ to express the profound effect this experience will have on me for years to come. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the collective healing and sharing together at CCA’s annual conference, I can’t wait to hear where your journey takes you from here.

A reflection on my Keynote titled Combatting Confidential Grief, Colorado Counseling Association Annual Conference

The Human in the Helper: You cannot heal what you don’t reveal

Dr. Kendal Wellington Humes is a trailblazer. As a doctorate-level psychotherapist in private practice, he’s recently taken on the task of building a behavioral health program from the ground up in academia, as it’s first department chair. He’s had a busy few years, however they haven’t been without challenges. “I’m winning and I’m losing irreplaceable things.” In the past 8 years in Colorado, Dr. Kendal has experienced the loss of a parent, godparent, pet loss, and two painful divorces. “My private practice has kept me alive,” he shared.

 

“People see my progress but not my process,” Dr. Kendal reflected. He’s no stranger to wanting to excel since he’s achieved four degrees and multiple letters after his name before his mid-thirties. Educational and career achievements provided him a sense of purpose and control when his personal life felt rocky. “No one can take that from me,” he reflected.

 

Dr. Kendal named the pressure he feels to succeed. “I can’t afford to be mediocre. I’m Black. I’m an immigrant. I’m tall. I’m dark-skinned. And I’m openly gay. I don’t have the privilege of being mediocre.” He’s achieved quite a bit in his career so far, working in community mental health, offering supervision, starting a private practice, and now working in academia. He spoke of the bittersweetness of achieving success while grieving. “People are celebrating the successes but not the losses. Transparency can be weaponized.” Dr. Kendal also spoke to the pressure mental health professionals feel to have things all figured out. “We get the message that we should know better. We should be better.” As a mentor to younger generations of therapists and professionals, It hasn’t stopped him from sharing the hardships as well as the victories.

 

“I’ve been through divorce. My father died.” Dr. Kendal has experienced depression and he’s felt immense grief. “I didn’t feel like I could give people an honest answer about how I was doing. People don’t always understand what sacrifices have to be made for the successes they see.” Dr. Kendal also recognizes he’s hardest on himself. When experiencing divorce, he found himself saying, “I can’t even heal my own person. I can’t heal my own shit.”

 

Now Dr. Kendal is all about seeing both sides. “I can see the good and the bad. You cannot heal what you don’t reveal.” He describes his approach as strengths-based and holds onto some humor, even when things get heavy. “I have a strong sense of self. I had to forgive myself.” Dr. Kendal has similar ideas for others going through immense pain in their personal life. “Keep moving. Fall on your back instead of your face. When you fall on your back, you can still see what direction you need to go.”

 

As for himself, Dr. Kendal’s purpose has become clearer thanks to added perspective and deeper insight from the losses he’s experienced. “Sometimes letting go will put you right where you need to be. Stop fighting.” He’s attempting to take the changes in stride, knowing he has more people to meet and engage in his journey as a psychotherapist. “I’m a wounded healer,” he named. “Failures can be a win too. How will failures help us grow?”

Things happen to us as humans, even as we support our clients as professional helpers. Do you have a story you want to share the mental health community? Email us at croswaitecounselingpllc@gmail.com to learn more about the Human in the Helper Series!

The Human in the Helper: I felt better pregnant than any other time in my adult life

Emily is passionate about mental health, Medicaid practices, and her pre-teen daughter. She serves as a consultant to therapy practices taking Medicaid and to folks wanting to build quality substance treatment programs that meet community needs. Although she’s feeling strong mentally and physically these days, she’s suffered from depression on and off in adulthood since college. Then Emily got pregnant and stopped her antidepressant. “It wasn’t contraindicated, but I wanted to be extra cautious.”

 

Although her pregnancy was labeled geriatric because of her age, Emily reported she felt her healthiest while pregnant, both physically and mentally. She remembers wanting to go with the flow regarding labor and delivery, which was the plan until her daughter decided to come 10 days late. At that point, her doctors scheduled an induction that she felt catapulted her into some postpartum depression and anxiety symptoms. “I remember questioning if I should have had a child. They kept us at the hospital for a few days because my daughter had jaundice. I struggled to breastfeed.”

 

Emily isn’t the only woman to notice a dramatic shift in mood based on the hormonal changes of postpartum. Because of her history with depression, she felt like she knew more what to look for, even if it took her awhile to seek support. “I didn’t have a therapist or medication provider at the time. That could have made my timeline to getting help look different,” she reflected. Emily noticed depression, anxiety, and being quick to cry as some symptoms that things weren’t right. “I was quick to cry and I’m not a crier.” Amidst balancing being a new mom, she shifted jobs postpartum as well. Unfortunately, her symptoms got worse before they got better.

 

“My relationship was impacted by my mood.” She realized things weren’t sustainable as they were, even with a schedule change, which resulted in separating from her daughter’s father. “I know now we weren’t compatible.” At the time of the separation, Emily was hard on herself, adding the relationship end to her list of things she didn’t feel she was doing well. Then she got the support she needed to regulate her hormones again.

 

In the present, Emily holds a lot of compassion for colleagues who are trying to balance work with being a new parent. “All these things that we think we are prepared for, we’re not. Be forgiving of yourself.” She encourages new parents to go with the flow, while also recognizing how hard this is when caring for an infant. Adjusting and embracing parenthood isn’t a perfect science, but Emily wants people to feel hopeful that things will get better. If colleagues find themselves getting stuck in the “shoulds” of parenting or work-life demands, Emily suggests channeling our inner therapists for some added gentleness towards ourselves. “Think of things you would work on with your client. Notice what you would say to them and say those things to yourself.”

Things happen to us as humans, even as we support our clients as professional helpers. Do you have a story you want to share the mental health community? Email us at croswaitecounselingpllc@gmail.com to learn more about the Human in the Helper Series!

The Human in the Helper: You become invisible when you become a widow

Claudia is one of few art therapists in her area, and she’s passionate about helping people paint their process. It’s something that helped her in her own process when her husband died. “The hospice sitters told me when it was okay to sleep, when it was okay to work.” Claudia chose to reduce her private practice caseload in response to her husband’s frequent doctors appointments and the emotional fatigue she was experiencing as the result of his decline. He died at the same time Americans were reeling from 9/11. “It was my own personal 9/11, my own painful loss,” Claudia reflected.

 

After her husband died, Claudia experienced immense grief. “Grief makes you feel crazy, my thoughts were crazy.” She sat shiva and underwent grief counseling at hospice. Claudia discovered her one and only instance of suicidal thought at this time, before being gently reminded by her doctor that she still had family left. After her own grief counseling, Claudia was asked to lead 4 week art therapy grief groups for others experiencing loss.

 

In offering a “Painting from the Heart” groups to therapists, Claudia finally felt ready to paint her grief from the loss of her husband. It was powerful, it was visceral, and she finally felt seen by others when they looked at her art. “Then I had enough of drawing the process of grief,” she said. Claudia was missing her family and suggested to her daughter that she’d like to move closer to her. It was then that Claudia closed her private practice to relocate to Denver. A friend supported this decision by sharing her own perspective after the loss of her children. “What are you waiting for?”

 

Moving to Denver was a process for Claudia, who needed to refer out clients, secure her files, and close the practice to open one in another state. She currently enjoys working with clients who are ready to embrace art therapy or sand tray work to process their feelings. “Painting my process helped me slow down with my clients, to go deeper. The feelings goes from being inside to outside.” Claudia self-discloses with clients when it’s clinically relevant, helping them do their own work when they are ready.

 

Although Claudia is happy to be closer to her daughter and enjoys her client work, she still finds herself adjusting to a new state. “You become invisible when you become a widow.” She spoke to the shift in dynamics from having friends as a couple to having friends as an individual. Claudia named it’s hard to make friends in a new state, especially at an older age. That doesn’t stop her from being involved in volunteering, community, and choir, which serve as points of connection at this newest stage of her life.

 

As for colleagues, she has some ideas for fellow professionals going through the loss of a spouse. “Ask for help. Stay on top of finances. Write an ethical will.” Claudia acknowledged the tears that came to her eyes when sharing her ethical will with her family. Unlike a last will and testament, an ethical will speaks to the moral inheritance and qualities passed down to family members. It’s an emotional process of writing out wishes for loved ones and then sharing them out loud with those loved ones. Claudia encourages everyone to engage in this process as part of connection and healing. She also recognizes the importance of utilizing supports for grief work. “Try art. Draw it out or engage an art therapist or sand play therapist.” Going through the loss of her spouse has helped Claudia see her own strengths. “I’m stronger than I ever wanted to be. I can do this. I am doing this.”

 

Things happen to us as humans, even as we support our clients as professional helpers. Do you have a story you want to share the mental health community? Email us at croswaitecounselingpllc@gmail.com to learn more about the Human in the Helper Series!

Building Secondary income streams as burnout prevention